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does he have a sense to be able to handle the territory now? does he know the hazards that have scared all the men before him? maybe we'll strike it just right like the proverbial monkey given enough time on the keyboard will type "merry christmas." but should we dread the thought of how many other combinations he's capable of in the meantime. late today in his press conference, i thought for a few minute that when trumpas talking about giving our relationship with russia time, when he talked about really getting to know china's president xi, when he called bashar al assad a butcher, i thought i heard someone say, merry christmas. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> putin is the leader of russia. russia is a strong country. >> foreign agents. >> paul manafort has done an amazing job. >> new questions about trump aides working for foreign governments as rex tillerson
meets with vladimir putin. >> we touched only briefly on the issue of cybersecurity. >> the latest on the trump campaign probe and the state of u.s. foreign policy. >> i said we've just launched 59 missiles heading to iraq. >> headed to syria? >> yes. >> then after a strong showing in kansas, democrats hope to flip a gop seat in georgia. congressman john lewis and eric swalwell join me from atlanta on the resistance. plus bernie sanders on how dems plan to take back congress. gabe sherman on his bombshell bill o'reilly report. >> caution. >> and all of the promises -- >> china cheats. they devalue their currency. >> the president has broken in just the last 24 hours. >> i think it's fairly safe to assume that was hyperbole. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york.
i'm chris hayes. on a day in which the u.s. secretary of state met in person in moscow with vladimir putin, tonight new details on a third member of the trump campaign who may have acted as a foreign agent. today a spokesman for paul manafort says the former chairman of the trump campaign is now in talks to register retroactively with the u.s. government as a foreign agent for his lobbying work in ukraine where manafort had worked for a pro-russian political party. he would not be the first. last month, trump's now disgraced former national security adviser michael flynn registered retroactively as a foreign agent for his lobbying work on behalf of turkey after having resigned for lying about his conversations with the russian ambassador. and last night, "the washington post" reported that the fbi had obtained a secret court order to monitor the communications of former trump campaign adviser carter page. a judge finding probable cause that page was acting as a foreign agent for russia.
that's three potential foreign agents in trump's campaign, all with ties to russia, and they're just the ones that we know about. today trump's secretary of state, informer exxonmobil ceo rex tillerson, seen here receiving the russian order of friendship from vladimir putin in 2013 after signing deals with a state-owned russian oil company, made his first trip to russia for a marathon day of meetings, including a nearly two-hour meeting with putin himself that both the americans and russians portrayed as tense and contentious. >> i expressed the view that the current state of u.s.-russia relations is at a low point. there is a low level of trust between our two countries. the world's two foremost nuclear powers cannot have this kind of relationship. >> it is a fraught moment for u.s.-russia relations for a variety of reasons starting with the fact that russia is supporting a syrian government last week appeared to use chemical weapons, prompting the u.s. to attack syria with 59
cruise missiles. putin's government has also been subject to multiple rounds of u.s. sanctions, most recently for allegedly interfering in the u.s. presidential election on behalf of the sitting president. a hostile foreign power engaging in criminal sabotage to explicitly affect an election outcome is a huge deal of course. but tillerson declined to mention the alleged russian hacking during his opening remarks today, only discussing it very briefly when pressed by reporters. >> we touched on it briefly on the issue of cybersecurity and, in particular, on the challenges that it is placing on everyone in terms of a new threat and emerging threat. but i think i do make a distinction when cyber tools are used to interfere with the internal decisions among countries as to how their elections are conducted. >> russian foreign minister
sergey lavrov took a hard line, at one point going on a long monologue about suft efforts in the past to oust hostile dictators, but he also said he and tillerson had agreed to nominate special representatives to examine, quote, irritants that have dogged u.s.-russia relations, quote, particularly under the administration of president obama. at a white house news conference this afternoon, president trump was asked if his views of putin had changed. >> we may be at an all-time low in terms of relationship with russia. this has built for a long period of time, but we're going to see what happens. putin is the leader of russia. russia is a strong country. we're a very, very strong country. we're going to see how that all works out. >> that's the president meeting with the nato secretary general today. while the president was once again refusing to criticize putin, the investigation was continuing into possible collusion between russia and members of the trump campaign. and for trump's former campaign
chairman, paul manafort, things appear to be getting worse quickly. after a handwritten ledger surfaced in ukraine last year suggesting that manafort had gotten off the books payments from a pro-russian political party, manafort at the time called claims that he had accepted such payments, quote -- and i'm quoting him here -- unfounded, silly, and nonsensical. okay. but today the associated press reported that at least $1.2 million in payments listed in the ledger next to manafort's name were actually received by his consulting firm in the united states. this time around, manafort didn't deny his firm got the money, but he insisted the payments were legitimate. as for possibly registering as a foreign agency, his spokesperson said in a statement, quote, the work in question was widely known, concluded before mr. manafort began working with the trump campaign and was not conducted on behalf of the russian government. that's a very specific statement, we should know. former trump adviser carter page, for his part, says the news the fbi got a secret
warrant to monitor his communications as part of its investigation into possible collusion between the trump camp and the russians, quote, confirms all of my suspicions about unjustified politically motivated government surveillance. >> so "the washington post," as you know, has reported that last year the fbi went to a fisa judge and argued successfully that there was probable cause to believe that you were acting as an agent for a foreign government. so my question is were you? >> of course i wasn't, jake. this is -- it's just such a joke that it's beyond words. >> joining me now, democratic senator ben cardin of maryland, ranking member of the senate foreign relations committee. what did you make of today's meeting with lavrov and then with putin? >> well, good. first it's going to be with you. the meeting left a lot of questions. i didn't hear secretary tillerson talk much about russia's attack on the united stes on our election stem. that seemed to be a subject that was not talked about directly.
i'm curious to see how strong he was in regards to the chemical weapon attack where there were russians on the airfield on which the aircraft took off. i didn't hear much about how russia could have been complicitous in the chemical weapon attack last week. so there's a lot of questions about this meeting that i really don't know. >> let me ask you this, senator cardin. obviously this is a very fraught time in terms of u.s.-russia relations. i think what happened in the election is a huge part of that. obviously the support of assad and syria, the continued occupation of crimea, the rebels sort of agitating in eastern ukraine. do you fear, however, that the political tenor in america, particularly from the democratic party because of the election, will produce momentum towards confrontation with another nuclear power? >> look, we want to have a reasonable relationship with russia, but when a country attacks you, you need to
understand why and take precautions to make sure you're not attacked again. when a country is facilitating the type of atrocities that we see in syria -- >> wait. i want to stop you right there, senator. attack, though. that word is a specific word. it connotes warfare. do you view what the intelligence committee said that russia did in terms of hacking during the election -- you view that as an attack? >> well, no. then they used that information in a way to try to influence the results of our election and to discredit our election. that's interfering with the internal democratic institutions that we have here in america. we know that they were directly involved in montenegro in funding the opposition party in that parliamentary election. we are concerned they're going to be actively engaged in the german and french elections. so, no, this is interfering with the internal affairs of our country. that's a hostile act, ande need to know exactly why they did this, how they did it, what connections they had. you've also mentioned some of the other findings we've seen with trump agents that are now
being -- information about being foreign agents. we need an independent investigation as to what russia was doing and what contacts they made here in the united states in order to protect ourselves. so, yes, we want to have a friendly relationship with russia, but we can't sit back and let them do what they have against our national security interests. >> have you -- you served in congress for a while, and you've served with presidents of both parties. have you ever seen this amount of sort of drift or strangeness in terms of the sort of knots that you get tied into trying to describe u.s. policy as this president? >> well, you know, clearly the administration does not have their full team in place. they are still struggling to be able to articulate policies. we don't know what their policy is in syria. we don't know what their policy
is in many of our foreign policy challenges. so, yes, we seem to be reactive. we've seen what mr. trump did in regard to the use of chemical weapons, but we don't see a syrian policy. we know that mr. tillerson was in russia meeting with the president and with their foreign minister, but we don't really know what the trump administration's strategy is in regards to its relationship with russia. so there are a lot of questions that i think need to be filled in. >> all right. senator ben cardin, thanks for your time tonight. >> my plezure. joining me now, a former fbi double agent, and matthew miller, a former spokesman for attorney general eric holder. matthew, let's start with the manafort news. there's a lot of it. i mean he was angry that people would suggest that these ledger accounts in the ukraine actually flowed into his company. now it appears they did. he's talking about retroactively registering as a foreign agent. what do you make of this?
>> i think the biggest mistake paul manafort ever made was going to work for donald trump because when you clearly have the kind of baggage in your background that manafort does, you know, it's such a mistake to take a job where you're going to come under intense media scrutiny, and that scrutiny is going to produce stories that are going to put you under intense legal scrutiny. it's pretty clear that the department of the justice, the department of treasury are looking at everything in his background now and finding a lot of ugly things. the fact that the ledger, which he denied was true, now turns out to be true makes you wonder about some of his other denials. there was a report a couple weeks ago about fraudulent invoices where they had, you know, sold through a shell company computers to a foreign country to belize. he said those weren't true. that would be a clear act of fraud. now you wonder was that true. there's just a lot of problems he appears to be in, and it's clear he's under scrutiny by multiple agencies. >> yeah. i mean every manafort article i read, i'm like, that guy's legal
team has to be large at this point. here's "the new york times." i'm going to ask you about carter page in a second. just another in the avalanche of stories. after campaign exit, manafort borrowed from businesses with trump ties. papers were recorded the same day that he left the campaign in august, creating a shell company controlled by mr. manafort that soon received $13 million in loans from two businesses with ties to mr. trump. who knows what's going on there. naveed, you had experience in counterintelligence, particularly with russian intelligence. >> yes. >> i want to get your sense of the question that everyone is asking, which is what is the deal with carter page? people cannot make heads or tails of the guy. we now know from "the washington post" if their reporting is correct, there was a fisa warrant for him specifically. he's been named in charging documents in the southern district. what do you make of the role this guy could have played? >> well, it's so interesting because his history with the fbi dates back till 2013 at a minimum, right? it goes back to this case that wrapped up in 2015 in new york.
look, i think it shows two things. one, first and foremost when if comes to the russians, it shows they have shifted in terms of how they approach and how they target u.s. persons. and this is so critical. you know, i think that they're going to start using business, and we look at manafort. when you look at flynn, when you look at page, the fact is that what page did, what manafort did offered an entree to an intelligence service potentially to come in not through some sort of crazy side door but rather through the front door, through legitimate overt business. so the first question is does that -- does his entangments, business entanglements, as much as paul manafort, does that offer an untray for an intelligence service to come in? i say yes. >> remember the manafort denial about talking to russian intelligence was they don't wear buttons saying they're russian intelligence, which sort of squares with that account, right? the idea that you're having business interactions with someone who has another agenda. all right. matthew, here's another -- i'm going through the like cal val cade of questions here.
now we have also after the sort of a button on the nunes rube goldberg machine of nonsense as i've been calling it, classifies docs contradict nunes surveillance claims gop and dem sources say, which he guess we all knew but now that other people have seen the docs, that entire wild goose chase that the world was let on. >> it was all a farce. the thing that doesn't make sense to anyone about what nunes did, it was clear from the beginning at it was all a farce. mean it was oious from the beginning that this thing didn't add up. it wasn't going to add up. and now that people, as you say, are actually seeing the documents, people other than the white house and other than nunes, it's clear that, you know, it was all made up to try to justify trump's tweets. >> now you see people, occasionally defenders of the president saying, look, there was a fisa warrant for one of the candidate's advisers, which seems like a strange place to find yourself on defense. naveed, if you could see any
document -- we get these dribs and drabs. there just seems to be an improbable number of entanglements, particularly with manafort. what would you want to see? what would you want to know? >> you know, i real lie feel and what i'd like to know is when there was this nexus that manafort could have actually connected with the russians. i really find it hard to believe that manafort, page, flynn, all these people were contacted or potentially had these entanglements starting when they joined the trump team. i think this started long before. what fascinates me is if in fact these relationships started 2012, 2013, how did they people all end up on the trump campaign? it is -- it is more than a coincidence, right? >> to me the number one question right now, and i asked carter page in an interview, and i still have not seen him answer it. if this guy was sort of randomly out of nowhere, how did he end up on a sheet of paper that donald trump said the name of in front of the washington post if he was so tangential? that question is unanswered.
i would like to know the answer to that. still ahead, a big lineup tonight. we've got congressman john lewis, the one and only, congressman eric swalwell, plus senator bernie sanders, who will all join me. but coming up in two minutes, more from that new interview with president trump, the man in charge of the missiles. >> so what happens, as i said, we've just launched 59 missiles heading to iraq. >> headed to ssyria? >> yes, heading toward syria. the classes, the friends, the independence. and since we planned for it, that student debt is the one experience, i'm glad she'll miss when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. ameriprise
i was sitting at the table. we had finished dinner. we're now having dessert, and we had the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake that you've ever seen. and president xi was enjoying it. and i said, mr. president, let me explain something to you. this is during dessert. we've just fired 59 missiles. >> in an interview with fox business, the president
recounted the moment last week over dinner at mar-a-lago when he informed the chinese president he had just ordered missile strikes against syria. a response he said to the regime's use of chemical weapons. but while the president was very sure about the dessert, he was less clear about which country he'd just bombed. >> what we have in terms of technology, nobody can even come close to competing. now, we're going to start getting it because, you know, the military has been cut back and depleted so badly by the past administration and by the war in iraq, which was another disaster. so what happened is i said, we've just launched 59 missiles heading to iraq. >> headed to syria? >> yes, heading toward syria. and i want you to know that. >> misspeaking on the details is one thing, but the president also did complete 180s on some key parts of his agenda today. the president now stating his
support in an interview with "wall street journal." at a pressfence, the president said nato is no longer obsolete, calling it the bulwark of international peace and security. and according to the president's budget director, we can now dismiss trump's pledge to eliminate the national debt. >> i think it's fairly safe to assume that that was hyperbole. i'm not going to be able to pay off $20 trillion worth of debt in four years. i would be being dishonest with you if i said that i could. >> i'm joininged by jess macinto macintosh. i don't care either way about the xm bank, but some of the nato receipt rec was worrying. obviously they're not going to balance the budget in four years. i guess there's some way in which it's encouraging to see them move towards reality. >> i think they have to move towards it. that is like the cheerfulest spin i could possibly put on the fact that the president has ino idea what he's doing. the president doesn't know anything about foreign policy or
domestic policy, and he has no interest in learning it. the guy that we saw today in that interview is the same guy who said, health care is hard. who knew? and everyone around him raises their hand and says, we actually knew this. we knew that health care was hard. so he backtracks real quick. i am happy to see that he is willing to backtrack. i guess it would be weirder if he was, like, no, nato is still terrible now that he knows what nato does. >> right. he had another moment, the health care is complicated today when talking about north korea. mr. trump said he told his chinese counterpart he believed beijing could easily take care of the north korea threat. mr. xi then explained the history of china and north korea. after listening for ten minutes, i realized it's not so easy, mr. trump recounted. i felt they had tremendous power, but it's not what you would think. >> after listening for ten minutes, i realized it's not that easy. he literally had to become a world leader to be forced to sit
with another world leader in order to learn a thing, and that man is president. so, yes, i'm glad that he will occasionally bend to reality, but he's in charge of the missiles. >> right. so there's two theories here. one theory is that it was all a con, right? in many ways what i think is notable about the stuff like the xm bank and nato is that was actually stuff that disting wished him in certain ways from the rest of the republican field, particularly this kind of nationalistic nato is bad, no military entanglements, et cetera. that distinguished him. he beat 17 other people. now it's out the window within 80 days. was that a con, or is your theory of the trump presidency that it is literally who was in the room last? >> oh, it's who was in the room last. i don't think this man is very smart. i think he repeats the last thing that was said to him, and i think he got a crowd reaction when i said the stuff about nato, so he kept saying the stuff about nato. >> that's a great point is his policy was being driven with the crowd's response on the cam tan
trail and that's no longer the case when he's in office. >> absolutely, and those are people who do not understand the -- i don't understand the intrick cacies of foreign policy. things sound great to me until i get into it and then realize that it might not be possible. so being able to govern by will of the crowd is not something he's able to do, and i think we're seeing this sort of fall apart as he has to -- that's why i'm so afraid of the people he has around him. >> there's been all this news about bannon, the president saying, i like steve. you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. does it encourage you to think he's -- >> one, i thing this is distraction acticks. i think trump likes to step on his own bad news cycle with other bad news. so it's easier to distract from the investigation into his russia ties by saying, i might fire bannon for my son-in-law. like that's attracve. go look at that. so, one, i don't really buy it. two, the white nationalist problem in the white house is trump. it's not steve bannon.
>> and there's also what's happening in the doj. thank you, jess. appreciate it. coming up, explosive new reporting from gabe sherman that bill o'reilly could be cut loose by fox news. ♪ remember when you said men are supeyeah...ivers? yeah, then how'd i get this... ...allstate safe driving bonus check?
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this time of year, i grabbed some vacation because it's spring and easter time. last fall i booked a trip that should be terrific. not going to tell you where it is, but we have a contest on billoreilly.com. guess where bill's going? i'll have a full report when i return. >> bill o'reilly said he'll be back on air april 24th, though it's not clear that he will be returning. gabe sherman of new york magazine exclusively reporting that according to four network sources there's talk inside fox news that last night's show could be his last. lawyers for the law firm paul weiss hired last summer by 21st
century fox to investigate roger ailes are currently doing a deep dive investigation into o'reilly's behavior. gabe sherman will join me in a moment. now, this all follows closely on the heels of that explosive "new york times" story about the five different women who settled lawsuits with either mr. o'reilly or fox news channel for alleged behavior by o'reilly ranging from verbal abuse to unwanted advances. 21st century fox and bill o'reilly have issued statements denying the merits of those claims. those five instances of course do not include ongoing litigation by former fox news host andrea tare an toes against both o'reilly and roger ailes, who was fired, you'll remember, for his own massive sexual harassment scandal last summer. wendy walsh, a regular guest on the o'reilly factor, and who recently launched a formal complaint against o'reilly, is the focus of the current investigation by the law firm hired by fox news. walsh is not pursuing litigation at this time. in the past ten days, advertisers amidst all this news
have been dessertiz certing the o'reilly factor at an astonishing rate. the o'reilly fac's paid national advertising has plummeted, dropping fra about 15 minutes to show to about four minutes at its lowest. joining me now gabe sherman. do you believe the vacation was pre-planned? >> yes. all my reporting inside fox news indicates that bill o'reilly did plan this trip before. now, what i find striking is that management let him go. you know, when you're in the middle of a major public relations chrissis, if they were backing him, they would say, listen, stay on the air. we got your back. don't make it look like this is a suspension. >> that's interesting. so letting him go on the pre-planned vacation is a little bit of an indicator. your sources say his fate is being decided inside the company right now. >> really there is a split in the murdoch family. murdoch is inclined to keep bill o'reilly. his son is much more skeptical, wants to clean up the culture at fox news and has been pushing for him to go.
locke lan murdoch is more in the middle saying let's see what we find. but really the problem is they can't sell the show as your graphic just showed. advertisers do not want to be on bill o'reilly. so this is a long-term problem for them. >> it alsoeems you've got this problem which is that paul wei is now investigating. lord knows andbviously o'reilly claims these are all meritless has does fox news, but it seems like there could be other stuff they find. >> i got calls today from people inside the network saying there's actually bad stuff they're finding that could come out. again, rumors are swirling. but, again, the sense inside fox news is that bill o'reilly's days are numbered. >> remember the trajectory of roger ailes was when they started doing the internal investigation, lo and behold they found a huge consistent systematic pattern. >> yeah, and i think maybe the spot that o'reilly teed up that said, you know, guess where he's going, i think one possibility is retirement. >> wendy walsh has retained lisa bloom. lisa bloom on the last word last night basically saying, i have
more women calling me now. we saw a little bit of this with gretchen carlson and roger ailes, which was that it's very hard for women to come forward with these allegations because of the professional consequences, because of the scrutiny, because of the pressure. but there is a kind of group solidarity effect that happens. >> yes. >> and we saw that with ailes. >> yeah, and of course these things tend to go in waves. there's a safety in numbers, and now that these allegations are so public, i would not be surprised that we see a flood gate of more women. >> you also reported today that in the interview with maria bartiromo with fox business news that trump had something to say about all this on the hot mike at the beginning of the interview. >> yeah. you know, he said that, you know, rupert murdoch has been great for trump and much better than roger ailes ever was. and i think, you know -- >> say that again. he said rupert murdoch has been great for trump and better than ailes ever was? >> yes. this is a case where there's a strategic alliance between fox news channel and the trump white house. rupert murdoch has business interests in having a very close
relationship with donald trump. so that is why, you know, no little fact that the fbi and the u.s. attorney's office is investigating fo news donald trump's justice departme is investigating fox news. so rupert mdoch has a financial interest in sort of propping up this white house. >> we should say investigation is for the possibility of improperly discloser or not discloser cash payments for ailes' settlements. >> and more of that as i've also reported. it's for possibly illegal surveillance that roger ailes' black opps department had done. >> thank you. still ahead, signs of life for the democratic party in trump country. i'll talk with congressman john lewis and senator bernie sanders about the resistance forming under president trump. plus candidate trump versus president trump in tonight's thing 1, thing 2 after the break.
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e very moment he announced his candidacy. donald trump believed china was manipulating its currency, devaluing it, and he was going to do something about it. >> china's killing us. they're devaluing their currency to a level that you wouldn't believe. it makes it impossible for our companies to compete. >> china has so manipulated their currency. >> china so manipulates their currency. >> they manipulate the hell out of their currency. by the way, i love china. >> when i hear devaluation of the chinese currency, you know the word, the sucking action. that's called a sucking like a vacuum cleaner. >> currency manipulation. it is say disaster. >> china, they devalue their currency. >> china is a tremendous abuser of the united states. >> it's probably the single greatest theft in the history of the world, what china has done to us. >> what they do with their currency is unbelievable. >> there's no better currency manipulator ever in the world than china. >> they manipulate their
currency, and nobody in history has done it like china. >> china cheats. they devalue their currency. >> we can't continue to allow china to rape our country, and that's what they're doing. it's the greatest theft in the history of the world. >> i'm going to instruct my treasury secretary to label china a currency manipulator. >> a currency manipulator. >> nobody has ever manipulated currency like china. >> they're devaluing their currency. we do nothing about it. folks, i'm going to do so much about it. it's going to be so easy. >> a currency manipulator. the greatest in the world. >> i like china. they buy condos all the time. but you know what? they are a currency manipulator. >> i will direct my secretary of the treasury to label china a currency manipulator. they are. they know it. >> this was so important to donald trump, he promised that on day one of his presidency, he
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the first presidential tweet of the day, great win in kansas last night for ron estes. easily winning the congressional race against the dems who spent heavily on predicted victory. there is only one thing factually accurate in that tweet. the kansas state treasurer did indeed beat james thompson to fill the seat of mike pompeo, but it was not a great win and it didn't happen easily, and the dems didn't spend heavily or predict victory. back in november, trump won that district by nearly 27 points. pompeo won his re-election bid by more than 30 points. it should have been an extremely safe republican seat. so safe that according to the democratic candidate, thompson, the national party stayed away because they had concluded early on he couldn't win.
in fact, as "the new york times" points out, only on monday when it became clear the race was being seriously contested did house democrats announce they were spending money on a late wave of get out of the vote calls whereas national republicans spent about $150,000 on the race. republican estes ended up winning by roughly 8,000 votes. about seven percentage points. 20 points less than trump's victory just five months ago. another republican seat is up for grabs next week. the seat formerly belonging to trump's health and human services secretary tom price in georgia. a candidate has to get 50% to avoid a runoff. right now, the democrats polling in the 40s. current georgia congressman john lewis and eric swalwell were in atlanta today. they told me there's lots of enthusiasm for next tuesday's election. >> georgia is the right place to be right now. i'm here with congressman lewis to reach out and talk to millennials, learning from someone who has organized and continues to organize, but we
have an opportunity just next week with john osoff in georgia's sixth congressional district. the energy i saw in the room today as we talked to a lot of young people is they want to be heard and that they see an opportunity here in georgia to put us closer to being in a position where we can extend more opportunity to more people. so yesterday i think really gives us inspiration that next tuesday, we can make some real progress. >> congressman lewis, as the other congressman was saying, you've been organizing and working in politics for decades. and the democrats have had this problem, oh, eight, ten, 12, 14, 16. they've had problem with mid term elections, particularly with younger voters who show up in presidentials and don't in mid terms. do you feel like you've gained some insight into what the switch is that gets them excited and activated? >> well, i think more than anything else, what happened in november of last year had turned
the switch on. people prepared, ready. they're fired up. they're ready to go. they're ready to organize, to mobilize people, to turn out and vote like we never voted before. >> congressman swalwell, fill in this blank for a tweet-length version of what the democratic message is right now in a place like georgia. and obviously there's geographic differences. every district's different. they have their own issues. but you should ce out and vote to elect the democrats in the house because -- blank. >> we're going to extend more opportunity to more people in more places. and right now our party is uniting. we're resisting, and we're going to reclaim our country. >> what is your version of that message, congressman lewis? >> it is very simple. i think eric is right. some people are saying, you know, i'm a little nervous. i don't know what to do.
what we're saying, don't be nervous. don't get lost in a sea of despair. keep the faith. get up. get out there. be bold. be courageous, and do your job and do it well. >> congressman, what would you say to someone who is considering right now -- there's been a lot of folks talking about recruitment and not just at the level of congress but all sorts of levels of office. and i've seen a lot of people, particularly after the election, feeling like maybe this is something i should do. you're relatively young right now. what would you say to someone who is relatively young who is thinking about whether they should run for office? >> right now we need you, and it may not be running for congress, but it could be -- i started out on a local arts commission. it could be on a city council. it also could be just organizing your neighbors to write to your representative about an issue that you care about or volunteering for an organization that is actually reaching out and helping people on the issues
that really move you. so there's so many ways to do it. but, you know, chris, at the end of the day, all of the streams need to flow to the same body of water, and that's the ballot box. so we need to move people to the ballot box. >> congressman served in congress as long as you have, it's interesting to think about wave elections because there's been a few. you've been on the right side and wrong side. do you feel le you develop some sort of sense for when a wave is coalescing in the favor of a party you're in or against it? >> well, during the past few days and few weeks, i traveled all across america. i can feel it. i can feel it. i almost can touch it. the american people are ready. they are ready for change. i think we're going to have a great and good and extraordinary election in 2018. >> my thanks to congressman john
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at the kansas result. there is a 20-point swing in favor of the democrats. what's your take away? >> well, i think what thompson and the progressives in a conservative district in montana did was very, very impressive and i think it speaks very positivelily about what we'll see happen around the country in the next months and years. i was in kansas a couple of months ago. we had 5,000 people out in topeka. i think what you're going to see are people who voted for trump ba because he said he was going to stand up for working families. but now he supports disastrous health care proposals which will throw 24 million people off of health care, $300 billion in tax breaks for the very rich. i think what's happening is a
lot of working people saying i voted for trump. he said he was going to stand up for me. turns out that's not the case. number one, a 50-st agenda. do not surrender parts of the country to right-wing republicans. number two, a progressive agenda that makes it clear that the democrats are going to stand with working families. they are prepared to take on wall street and the 1%. we do those things, i think you're going to see fundamental changes in the way politics works in america. >> on that first thing, 50 states surrendering, do you think that's what the dnc did here who put in very, very little resources? >> yeah, i do. i do. i think the word is, well, this is kansas. how can anyone do well in kansas? it's a republican state. it turns out there are a lot of activists and working people standing up and taking on the trump agenda and with more help they might have pulled it off. and i would hope that the democratic leadership learns
that lesson. where there is grassroots activism, let's support that activism. >> you know, it's interesting. you talk about this sort of theory of what's happening, folks who voted for trump being dismayed for them and i think the polling reflects that. i was looking at the results in kansas and one thing that jumped out to me was if democratic turnout was 68% of what it had been on election day, which is very high for a special election, republican turnout was 38%. so you've got, you know, sort of a persuasion part of it. people who were trump voters who are now not so into him but also the activation factor which to me seems to be the driving force in politics right now. >> chris, this is what we're seeing all over the country. that's what the women's march was about. blew everybody's mind. millions of people came out it's it's what this disastrous health care plan was about.
i think we have to make it clear the american people if you don't believe that there will be tax breaks for the top 1% while they cut medicare and medicaid and education and affordable housing and child care, if you think that doesn't make sense, if it doesn't make sense to expand military spending by $80 million while you have republicans in congress working to cut social security, if you think that doesn't make sense, you've got to get involved in the political process. you've got to stand up and fight back. >> i've got to ask you about that. they said we're moving on because they got their butts kicked so badly. now the president is saying we're going to come back and do that. in your caucus, there's part of me, if i was a democratic senator, yes, please try to help
pass this terrible bill. >> that's right. the bill is going to be even worse. chris, here is my view. there is no state in this country, not kansas, not alabama, not mississippi, no state in this country to get 24 million people off of health insurance and raise premiums by three or four times. nobody believes that makes sense. the democrats have to take the fight into kansas. start putting that agenda, the denial of the reality of climate change, defunding planned parenthood. very few people support that agenda. we're going to win and win gig.
>> bernie sanders, thank you for joining us. >> that's "all in" for now. "the rachel maddow show" is next. at the southern most tip of the great state of nevada, there's aown cle calnevari. it sounds like a pasta, i know. but it's not. it's a combined jumble of abbreviations for california, nevada and arizona. calnevari. it has 2 or 300 people in it. it's on route 95. it's way out in the desert but em fat